Thursday, August 19, 2010

Mosque, eh?

I find it incredible that there's so much flack over the (possible) building of a Muslim "mosque" near Ground Zero.

Many compare it to the (possible) building of a Japanese religious structure near Pearl Harbor.
Impossible, right?


Statement by Feisal Abdul Rauf:

"It is not a mosque, although it will include a space for Muslim prayer services. It will have a swimming pool, basketball court, meeting rooms, a 500-seat auditorium, banquet facilities and many other things a community needs to be healthy. The center will offer theatrical programming, art exhibitions and cooking classes. These are amenities missing now from this part of the city.

And, yes, the center will have a public memorial to the victims of 9/11 as well as a meditation room where all will be welcome for quiet reflection. The center will support soul and body.

The center will be open to all regardless of religion."

Arguments:
Anti-mosque:
Muslims should be sensitive to the feelings of Americans and build elsewhere, even though they have the constitutional right to build ...
Pro-mosque:
Americans should promote the building to demonstrate American freedoms and to improve worsening relations with the Muslim world ...

In 1998, bin Laden said:
"... the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors ... ... Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people ... huge number of those killed, which has exceeded 1 million ... in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa ... kill the Americans and their allies."

There is little point in arguing that the U.S has provided immense aid to Muslims of the Middle East.
There is little point in arguing that the U.S has protected countries of the Middle East from aggression.
There is little point in arguing that the U.S is motivated by Christian ideals.
There is little point in arguing who is responsible for this attitude toward the U.S.
... BUT, can we still wonder why?


 

9 comments:

  1. I suspect that the difference is that the religions and shrines shown on the map are NOT a state religion of Japan and that the religions do not require that you be killed just because you are not a member. I don't know for sure, but I suspect that the Japanese pilots did not yell "Alla is great" (or whatever their god is called) as they dropped their bombs on Hawaii.

    I understand that the Christan bible has many disgusting scenes of horror but I don't remember it advocating killing non Christians in perpetuity just because they are non-Christians (hope I am not wrong on this!!!). If I am wrong, it would only strengthen my statement below!!!

    People must realize that ALL religions are bad. Hopefully, the on-going Christan/Islam argument will help wake people up to this.

    Since the "downfall" (aka reformation) of the Catholic Church, western religions do not generally have enough power to carry out the more obscene actions against non Christians. This is generally less true for state Islamic religions.

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  2. "... I don't remember it advocating killing non Christians in perpetuity just because they are non-Christians"

    How about Deuteronomy, 17:12 ?
    "And the man that will do presumptuously, and will not hearken unto the priest that standeth to minister there before the LORD thy God, or unto the judge, even that man shall die"

    In any case, Christianity and Islam both have a sad history of kill the nonbeliever.

    Perhaps we should all embrace Buddhism, eh?
    "The Buddha rejected speculation about such matters as God, the nature of the universe, and the afterlife, urging his followers to focus instead on the Four Noble Truths..."

    http://www.thebigview.com/buddhism/fourtruths.html

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  3. Peter said:

    How about Deuteronomy, 17:12 ?
    "And the man that will do presumptuously, and will not hearken unto the priest that standeth to minister there before the LORD thy God, or unto the judge, even that man shall die"

    Well, since the paragraph reads like it was written by a lawyer I maybe didn't fully understand the significance of it. As I stated above, however, your quoted paragraph strengthens my case that ALL religion is bad.

    Peter said:

    "Perhaps we should all embrace Buddhism, eh?"

    Well, I guess if a person HAS to embrace something then maybe Buddhism would work. As for myself, I am content with Agnosticism and Atheism. I hope we (humankind) learn more about our origins and the universe but if we do it will be through science, not religion.

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  4. I am a Christian. I try not to be a Hypocrite like so many of today's Christians are.

    All of my non-Christian friends who are committed Atheists and Agnostics have better Morals than the Majority of Christians and are Not hypocrites. Just as many non-Christian nations, like Japan, act more Christian than we do (not counting in war, where they tortured like we did recently).

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  5. "I am a Christian. I try not to be a Hypocrite like so many of today's Christians are."
    Well said!

    I do believe in Christian morals, practise what amounts to Christian ideals and behaviour and believe that, if there is is a God, it's not the biblical version(s).

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  6. Peter said:

    "...if there is a God..."

    So Horace says,

    Well, it sounds like a bit of agnosticism creeping in here :)

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  7. BTW,

    How does one format text in this blog ???

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  8. "How does one format text in this blog ??? "

    some of these text formatting commands work
    ... some don't :^(

    http://www.gummy-stuff.org/HTML-simple.htm

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  9. "Well, it sounds like a bit of agnosticism creeping in here :) "

    Belief in the lack of a "god" is a kind of religion, eh?

    Skepticism in such beliefs is my belief.
    :^)

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